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liam_on_linux About 5Y ago, I got a job at a big FOSS vendor and needed a desktop client. The company no longer maintained its own client for its own in-house email server.
I started with Thunderbird.
I found a problem -- later identified as being server-side -- and tried as many others as I could find in the distro's repos: Evolution, Sylpheed, Claws, KMail, Balsa, GNUstep Mail.app, Geary, and more.
Evolution is better than it was and isn't quite so determinedly Outlook-like any more. (I do not like Outlook.)
Claws is pretty good, but it isn't multithreaded, so it hangs when collecting mail. This is very annoying.
Claws and Sylpheed desperately need to merge again. They are basically the same app, but with slightly different feature sets. AIUI the author of Sylpheed, Yamamoto Hiroyuki, refuses to accept patches/PRs. He really needs to get over himself and learn to act a bit more like Linus Torvalds did. This intransigence is crippling both programs.
It is the 21st century and I do not want a CLI/text-mode email app. They have their place, for instance if you need to do email over ssh. I do not. But I want something that readily scales to a large window, has a CUA UI, can show basic formatting, etc. So, no Mutt/Neomutt/Pine for me.
In the end, I went back to Thunderbird and I still use it today. It is, after considerable research and experimentation, the best FOSS email app there is.
It is cross-platform: I can and do use the same app on Linux, Windows and macOS.
It talks to everything. I have or have had it connecting to Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL, Exchange Server, Groupwise, CIX, and more different accounts and servers than I can remember.
It does address books and calendaring as well.
It has integration with handy features like Google's various chat and note-taking services.
It uses standard storage formats that can be accessed from other apps.
It's big, it is a bit sluggish, and like Firefox Quantum, some add-ons no longer work. This is a foolish decision of Mozilla's. However, it still has a useful range of add-ons.
It handles secure email and encryption well.
Snags: it really needs a working sync function.
But, after a lot of time and effort, it remains best-of-breed for my needs.
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Date: 2022-04-24 04:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-04-26 09:39 am (UTC)Glad to hear that. It's a remarkable swiss-army knife of a tool.
To paraphrase myself from HN:
T'bird is an example of the Pareto principle: we all only want or need 20% of the functionality, but a different functionality... so in the end, the pool of all users need 80% of the functionality. The other 20% or so is either there to support that 80% or it is something that is absolutely essential for a tiny number of people.
Which is what leads to OSes like Linux, which are huge and vastly complicated, but every obscure function that 80% of us will never use is crucial to someone somewhere... because Linux is a desktop and a laptop and a server and a router and a hypervisor, etc.
Tens of thousands of organisations agree on the usefulness of Linux, so it gets a lot of investment and R&D and development.
Only 1 company owns Thunderbird and it thinks that it's not important, so it gets very little: just a bit of bugfixing and maintenance. :-(
While actually, it is in its way a jewel of vital functionality that really should be celebrated and polished.
I'd love to work out what it needs to get more airtime and investment.
T'bird does what I need without a single addon -- but I can see where a few small addons could transform it from "very useful" to "world-beating".
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Date: 2022-05-26 07:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-27 11:28 am (UTC)Interesting. Thanks for this -- I will give it a try.