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I have an ST, and an Amiga, but I didn't use either back in the day. But I think this is amazing work and really impressive.
So I stuck in on HN and some pillock went "yah boo TOS sucks Amiga is better" like it was 1986. I paraphrase. I am unimpressed.
In fact, while I don't want to be mean, you're missing two or possibly three different points... among which are the reasons I posted this link.
[1] It's not that TOS is less advanced than AmigaOS. Yes it is, and anyone who knows them realises that, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that this FOSS project has brought these two platforms together after about 35 years, and that's both really technologically impressive and also just plain fun.
[2] It means in principle that Amiga owners can run Atari apps, and the ST had some impressive apps.
[3] AROS is great but it's an x86 OS. It doesn't readily run on classic Amigas, or even especially well on the handful of later PowerPC Amigas, AFAIK. It also doesn't run natively on modern RISC hardware, like say the Raspberry Pi.
[4] But because it doesn't, that's prompted the creation of another really cool FOSS project, Emu68 -- a native 68K emulation environment for Arm, something comparable to Apple's nanokernel for running Classic MacOS on PowerMacs.
https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68
[5] Creating an OS that's as good or even better than the original while running on original hardware is impressive. Improved localisation opens it up to more people. That's good. It enables reviving vintage kit more easily, and expanding it. That's great.
You were so busy mocking something that you didn't stop to consider all the good sides.
[6] We know TOS was limited. We all know that. OTOH its simplicity enabled this. Its simplicity also was part of why the ST survived as a musicians' tool of choice for decades after it went out of production: super low latencies for music, and so on.
But others knew that TOS was limited, which drove a 3rd party OS market, with products such as MagiC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagiC
And MagiC is now FOSS:
https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/Atari-Mac-MagiC-Sources
Which is good, but OTOH, it's not attracted much interest or development, AFAICS...
Whereas EmuTOS is now on v 1.21 and is seeing new releases several times a year. This is great, and is one reason I posted it.
[7] The limitations of TOS are also what prompted the development of MINT, and that's FOSS too, and it's quite mature:
https://github.com/totalspectrum/atari-mint
And it has distros, such as AFROS:
https://aranym.github.io/afros.html
Which you can run on x86 kit:
https://aranym.github.io/
All of which is amazing work.
So, yes, while you just wanted to do some advocacy, you missed a huge amount of great work by a committed community.
Not cool, dude.
Leave the Amiga-v-ST hate in the 1980s where it belonged. It wasn't very welcome then. They're both great computers. But hey, then the fans were children, so they can be excused.
In 2022, they can't.
I have an ST, and an Amiga, but I didn't use either back in the day. But I think this is amazing work and really impressive.
So I stuck in on HN and some pillock went "yah boo TOS sucks Amiga is better" like it was 1986. I paraphrase. I am unimpressed.
In fact, while I don't want to be mean, you're missing two or possibly three different points... among which are the reasons I posted this link.
[1] It's not that TOS is less advanced than AmigaOS. Yes it is, and anyone who knows them realises that, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that this FOSS project has brought these two platforms together after about 35 years, and that's both really technologically impressive and also just plain fun.
[2] It means in principle that Amiga owners can run Atari apps, and the ST had some impressive apps.
[3] AROS is great but it's an x86 OS. It doesn't readily run on classic Amigas, or even especially well on the handful of later PowerPC Amigas, AFAIK. It also doesn't run natively on modern RISC hardware, like say the Raspberry Pi.
[4] But because it doesn't, that's prompted the creation of another really cool FOSS project, Emu68 -- a native 68K emulation environment for Arm, something comparable to Apple's nanokernel for running Classic MacOS on PowerMacs.
https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68
[5] Creating an OS that's as good or even better than the original while running on original hardware is impressive. Improved localisation opens it up to more people. That's good. It enables reviving vintage kit more easily, and expanding it. That's great.
You were so busy mocking something that you didn't stop to consider all the good sides.
[6] We know TOS was limited. We all know that. OTOH its simplicity enabled this. Its simplicity also was part of why the ST survived as a musicians' tool of choice for decades after it went out of production: super low latencies for music, and so on.
But others knew that TOS was limited, which drove a 3rd party OS market, with products such as MagiC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagiC
And MagiC is now FOSS:
https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/Atari-Mac-MagiC-Sources
Which is good, but OTOH, it's not attracted much interest or development, AFAICS...
Whereas EmuTOS is now on v 1.21 and is seeing new releases several times a year. This is great, and is one reason I posted it.
[7] The limitations of TOS are also what prompted the development of MINT, and that's FOSS too, and it's quite mature:
https://github.com/totalspectrum/atari-mint
And it has distros, such as AFROS:
https://aranym.github.io/afros.html
Which you can run on x86 kit:
https://aranym.github.io/
All of which is amazing work.
So, yes, while you just wanted to do some advocacy, you missed a huge amount of great work by a committed community.
Not cool, dude.
Leave the Amiga-v-ST hate in the 1980s where it belonged. It wasn't very welcome then. They're both great computers. But hey, then the fans were children, so they can be excused.
In 2022, they can't.
